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That would be in Cape Town – South Africa!

Man if I could only afford it, I would so be there!

Congratulations on your venture!

Sounds good. What did you learn?

The complete system was covered!

The face book link ended up at the top after I hit share :)

Was Awesome!

Hi Ged. How much is the Seminar costing and what is it covering? Ta

Hi Sajid, Good to hear from you again. It will be flexible taking into account what people ask for, but the main thread is second form application. There will also be a couple of our guys doing their first grading. Normally £30 but free for you given our chi sau sessions at your gym. I hope you can come.

There’ll also be chance to chi sau with everyone in the class.

Anybody up for it?

Thanks to those that came. It was an excellent and very technical seminar covering the first section of the second form. Thanks to Sifu Duane Harper for the detailed planning and prep for the session. News on next seminar will follow.

I don’t think I will make it this year. However the last time I went it was totally awesome. I will probably try to make the Portugal training camp in April though.

I will be going. Have never been so really looking forward to it. Going a few days earlier to do some sight seeing.

There are at least 6 from my club in Scotland making the trip, sorry you won’t be there Kingsley, looking forward to meeting you, Sajid.

Look forward to meeting you too. Sorry to hear about Tom. Who’s teaching there now?

Sorry for the delay in replying, Tom’s great friend, training partner and fellow instructor Sandy Teenan, also a private student of Grandmaster Kwok, has taken over the teaching now.

Looks interesting. He states that he doesn’t teach traditional wing chun but the techniques he stripped out are iconic for wing chun. However since wing chun is based on principles it’s entirely possible to satisfy a principle using movements or techniques that are not seen in the traditional style. This is exactly what he seems to be showing – the same principle and base movement executed in a slightly different way.

I totally agree that drills are mostly useless after you have learned the basics. But without those iconic movements it just doesn’t feel like wing chun to me. I imagine it’s probably effective in an mma context or against other martial arts styles.

Thanks for your positive comments Kingsley. My thoughts are that if you are using a tan sau action in to block and draw the opponent’s strike while taking his balance, its not beneficial to fully form the iconic tan sau. If anything it will slow you down.

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if people want a like button I will add that next !!

a like button would be cool 8-)

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Well that answers the question of who crofts was talking about, also welcome to the site

lol

Do a search for a guy called Corbuzier Deddy,Grandmaster Sam Kwok may have or is planning to go to Idonesia to pass on his knowledge to Corbuzier….

Sifu kwok has been out there this year teaching Deddy, but I think he is still learning so I dont know if he has a kwoon (the Chinese word for Dojo) set up yet. Either way their wont be a very high standard there yet but maybe soon. Just go try classes out :-)

nice video but i see both of them need more technique in their boxing punches

sory mean more skill

you sound like a true pro Rafeal , this isnt boxing this is a 50 second knockout in a mix martial arts competition, i would like to see one of your fights please if possible , thanks for your feedback

Thanks for the upload Dan

no im not a pro but i know how to box i was only giving my opinion and when i get a camara i will upload any of my fights :D

I think the dude in that video must have an awesome wing chun teacher, what do you reckon Dan? lol

I’m not sure if there was some confusion but that fight wasn’t western boxing, some people refer to wing chun as Chinese boxing? but that was a sanshou fight,(free fight i think it translates) like a mixed martial arts comp with certain rules like no elbows, no knees, with boxing gloves so some wing chun elements can not be used like lap sau … all opinions should be perceived as constructive in my opinion & I think everyone down to yip man always had room for improvement … to ever claim your great or the best or know everything about anything creates an immediate block for your learning 8-)

thats true Shell sorry if i seem arrogant it wasnt my intention

If you judge people, you have no time to love them.” ― Mother Teresa …lol, It was more of a general statement, I didn’t form an opinion to be fair lol … I know that I always have room for improvement & believe everyone does, no matter of how much of a skilled martial artist they are, I think opinions are good, as I do questions, it’s how you learn 8-)

hey well done Craig – good win :) I find it frustrating trying to apply wing chun wearing boxing gloves and usually end up reverting back to my first style which is a form of korean kickboxing. are you allowed to wear the finger gloves like in Enter the Dragon? that would be cool !!

Thanks Kingsley , yer its a little frustrating using gloves and trying to controle your opponent, its a shame but you cant use any other gloves they must be boxing gloves, so that people dont grapple or try any joint locks

I also have to say " Nice Job!!

Lol I reckon Craig has a lousy instructor. Still it was a great KO.

Thanks Ira >_< ,
I agree with Shell awesome instructor lol an
thanks again Dan >_<

Omg how dare you speak about Dave like that Dan haha (joke) well I don’t think your lousy … And you just wanted to hear that because we all know you love yourself really lol ;-) lol :-P

wow strongest man in the world and best martial artist ever that’s a brave statement , I take it you met Bruce Lee then ? And have met every other martial artist ever ? Hmmm did you ever stop an think I wonder who taught Bruce Lee , in your statement your putting down Ipman , Wong Shun Lueng ,Jet Li and many other great martial artist , you might be in love with Bruce but what your saying is not a fact it’s an opinion ;-)

ok haha man remember this is not my video i only upload it bcz Bruce Lee is doing Wing Chun , Paz hermano

I do love Bruce Lee – but I’m not sure his wing chun was that great. I don’t think he even finished the system. However he was an awesome martial arts movie star and great fighter – mostly because of his amazing speed and power.

Beauty/Skill is in the eye of the beholder ;-)

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Cool !

I would love to attend but money is low and I am headed to Afganistan next month :-(

Where are you staying?

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in my opinion I’d say yes… I don’t see training with other lineages disloyal either, it will only improve your knowledge and skill level … I think it would be pretty out of order to say no lol, if you can practice using what you have learnt against or with any other art not just wing chun it will be beneficial for you and show you where your gaps are ;-)

Ira, I’m in the same boat as you. No one any near me studies the same linage and I’m pretty sure the only instructor in these parts knows very little (see my previous post!). The way I see it, as long as you’re practicing you will get better.

You should do what I do: practice with anyone you can and take everything they say with a grain of salt. If they try and correct you, make sure they can prove that their way is better than what you have been taught. If in doubt, come on here and post your question.

I also agree with ‘Shell’. It might seem incredibly disrespectful to not train with someone because of linage differences.

Thank you for your advice, I appreciate it very much! The main reason I ask this question is due to my research into wing chun. I have learned that even though many Sifu come from the same Ip Man linage there are many differences from Sifu to Sifu concerning technique and the reasoning behind it. I have a very open mind and can see merit behind all of it! I chose my Sifu based on direct linage as I want to learn Wing Chun as Ip Man taught it! I have found a small school who’s linage is Ip Man/Leung Ting. As it stands now I train on my own and as you all know you can only learn and do so much on your own. I need a training partner to advance my skills! My concern with a training partner from another linage is conflict of technique.

What the folks above said. Ps leung ting learned from Leung shun who learned from ip man. Anyway tran with everyone

taking skills and experience from as many practitioners as possible will improve anyone’s Kung Fu..

if you do start doing it, let us know how it goes, i love all that chi stuff, iam a hippy tho :)

I have tried a bit but I have an issue with the whole trying to empty my mind aspect, I think way more than I talk 8-O lol … I’ll let you know how it goes … appears no one else here has really done any of it, I have read up on it a bit, I’m still kinda split on it but if it’s not beneficial, I haven’t lost out on anything … whats the worst than can happen? 8-)

well done, what was the championship?

Hi sifu how are you?
It’s JKD Martial Art Championship and held at Mumbai-India.
and our group achieved 6-gold medal, 3-silver medal, and 2- bronze medal.

hey – nice pics :) congrats on the medals :)

Thanks

Well done!!

Thanks

Well done congrats :-)

well done boys

Aww I remember this guy – didn’t realize he passed away.

you should aim for your target ,& the head is usually the best target, the idea of throwing a punch that you think might get redirected is ridiculous . watch ANY professional fights from ANY martial art or sport & you wont find any that have such a stupid idea , also most people stand at a angle where you can barely see there sternum nevermind try to punch it. very very bad advice. i would leave that club, but when you do climb out of the window incase the doors blocked but if the window is blocked you might get rediected to the door. utter nonesense

to the less defended part of his body

gcrofts , trust your instincts , you started your post with the common sense of " Seems like a silly question but, I’ve always thought that the face/neck area is the best bet." this is correct , please dont fall for jedi mind tricks from people with no fighting experience , telling you how to fight. ….. Rafael Garcia if we follow that logic we should be aiming all our punches towards the back of the knees as this is prob the least defended area. nonesense….

I agree with cutpunch. Only an fool would redirect punches into their face. And if they are an fool you don’t really need advice on how to fight them. Neck, nose, eyes, jaw and groin are all great points to attack. Sternum isn’t bad as people struggle to cover it in muscle or fat so it hurts to get hit there but it’s always easy to protect, and lots or fighters will hit you in the face as you try to punch them low.

But don’t listen to any of us try it out against lots of people when sparing or doing Chi Sau and see what happens.

Out of curiosity who is your instructor?

& has he ever had a fight ?

well thats bcz you are not thinking in 4 dimention jaja

im going to repost the original question on other forums & facebook as this type of bull**** is why people laugh at wing chun as a relevent martial art ,i think its dangerous to have such bad imformation & more so people claiming to teach self defence & then teaching this nonesense are in my opinion obtaining money through fruad & deception as you will bw worse off because you may believe this rubbish & enter a confrontation with bad advice & less self defence capabilities than when you started. ill repost any comments it gets

haha why you get upset? " well thats bcz you are not thinking in 4 dimention" is a joke nothing more nothing less dont take the things to personal

Hi all, just wanted to say thanks for the advice. The guys name is David Stevens, apparently he learned wing chun from Alan Gibson who’s the founder of “The Wing Chun Federation”.

As for finding another instructor, that’s not possible. Where I’m living atm, there is only one club.

Given the responses, I’m inclined not to take this guy too seriously, but it’s either go to his lessons or practice alone…

let him teach you the system but you can evolve talking with other and practising wiht other ppl see videos read books about WC

your better off pratising alone , you are bound to pick up bad habits if you only ever train with people with bad habits, suggest private training with someone at the class you get on with , where do you live , there may be someone onhere that you could train with.

I’m living on the Isle of Wight atm. Pretty sure nobody on here is from this neck of the woods!

I have to agree with cutpunch and dan – punching towards the face is the best way of striking the face. I can’t see any logic in punching toward the sternum on the offchance that it will end up striking the face !!!

2nd that kings …

I know I am a beginner here but from what I have learned you should always chase center! If that leads to the face then so be it….. if that leads to the sternum or spine then that is fine too…. Reguardless of how you are facing your foe they will always have a center ;-) So, in a nut shell, when I am striking/aiming it is always center :-)

As with a lot of elements of wing chun the ability of people to misinterpret information is amazing. I read Gcrofts original post and can’t believe that a simple basic concept of the system has been so misunderstood.
The exercise referred to in the post is a simple structure test using taan and fook sau concepts to encourage the student to apply the fook sau correctly. The idea of aiming towards the throat/upper chest whilst training is to ensure that the elbow is kept lower than the wrist and unfortunately Mr Crofts has the habit of fully extending his arm when attacking lifting his elbow i.e. is hitting to high. More unfortunate given his height this means that his punch does not connect to body structure minimizing the power he can generate.
In very short terms, the fook sau shape has to be maintained in a particular angle in order for the structure to be supported by the body.
In case anyone wishes to test this you can use the starting position of Dan Chi Sau (single sticking hand exercise) and rather than initiate with the tan sau to ying jeung (upright palm strike), the fook sau should attempt to punch into the throat/chin area. In theory if you apply the right angle with your elbow down, you should hit the opponent (if needs be feel free to pivot to enhance the attack position).
Having done so being compliant, the person using taan sau should now apply lat sau jik chung and try to attack the face. Assuming the fook sau is correct and the elbow is below the wrist the taan sau attack should be deflected easily.
If not, you should find that person applying taan sau will lift the fook sau out of the centre and the fook sau attack will either miss or skim the target.
In Mr Crofts case, he misses the target.
This also similar to the exercise at the end of Dan Chi Sau where if the punch is wrong, there is no need to move into bong sau to deflect and you can simply punch to the face and clear the original attack out of the centreline.
I hope that the above is enough of an explanation to clarify the comments made, but if not I would encourage anyone to further the discussion. At this point, I have tried to keep this simple without too much reference to the forms, etc but I am happy to spend more time on this if necessary.
If anyone wishes to check my details, please google “The Wing Chun Federation” and check the instructors page. If this is not enough, please contact Alan Gibson, who is my sifu and can confirm my training, grading (done under David Peterson WSL lineage as Alan doesn’t tend to grade his own students), etc.
David Stevens.
PS @ Gcrofts, come back if you want and discuss this in person rather than online, but I am happy to bet that if we were to try the exercises above you would not be able to hit me with your punch.

it have info about alot of diferent wing chun linages tehcniques of eahc one weapons training devices etc is really cool

yeah its cool

If they’re true then why not. As long as you can prove the claim with a certificate for example then you should. You have to stand out from the rest of the sifus in order to promote your business. However, the question for me would be – Are you the one teaching, or am I being taught by someone taught by ‘one of 13 masters’?

People can and will make claims. It is up to you to research and see if the claim is true or false. I rarely take anyones word/claim for anything as gospel. People in general are prone to coating a load of crap with truth. The truth is out there ;-)

I agree with Ira … maybe it’s harder for some people who train with different lineages to track their history back etc … but personally … if I don’t see it .. I don’t believe it, I’m just kind of arrogant like that personally … with everything in life from ghosts to medicine … not just wc … like for instance Dan is my sifu …Sam Kwok is his … I’ve been on camps and trained with them both, Sifu Kwok is in china every year and there are pictures of him with ip mans sons? … safe to say he isn’t a liar lol … it’s there in black and white … I’m given the opportunity yearly to go over there myself … planning to next year 8-) …. but some people feel the need to lie … to get more students, rake in money … whatever the purpose … they end up just looking like idiots? …

like say for example, if I started teaching in a few years? … if I claimed to have learned from ip ching … it’s a lie … I have bent the truth loads … If I claimed to have learnt from sifu kwok … It’s a lie … I have been taught by Dan? yeah so I may have trained with them, but a 2 week holiday or a few seminars with sifu kwok is not where I have learned my foundations … bending the truth just makes me look like I lie … prob because I’m not a great teacher …

like the kids at school that name drop the popular kids lol … It’s a persona some people have, that is pretty pathetic in my opinion, but regardless of who’s from what lineage or taught by who? …

If you have an oz of common sense or individuality you can see what your being taught, and should be able to ask yourself … will it work? … is it logical? is it practical? and do I like this person and get with them? because you won’t learn if you don’t like your teacher … well I won’t … I was that kid at school that only bothered listening to people I liked? … that’s what I feel is important personally regardless of who taught them what …

I don’t think you have to name drop in that context to promote yourself if your a good teacher, to me shouting about it or making any false claims is an indication that your somewhat insecure about yourself … well that’s how I’d perceive it anyway? and for the record I have no idea who your referring to incase anyone decides to bite my head off after my opinion lol … I don’t half ramble lol

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